tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post2103062060551740662..comments2023-09-24T08:05:04.868-04:00Comments on The Pilgrim Underground: Trump and Punishing Women Who Seek AbortionProtoprotestanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18217567607160768261noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-31519333551045136712016-04-11T21:50:55.501-04:002016-04-11T21:50:55.501-04:00Landtiller,
I'm not sure what you mean by reac...Landtiller,<br />I'm not sure what you mean by react.<br /><br />Abortion is sin and murder. We can't equivocate on that point.<br />The question is... are we to try and take over the government and force lost people to reckon with this issue (and a host of others) on our terms? And then if they don't, since we hold the reins of government, should we inflict violence on them through the police and courts?<br />I would say absolutely not and for a host of reasons that extend far beyond this particular question.<br /><br />I think we need to be loud and clear about what abortion is but then continue to witness through Word and deed... showing love and kindness to the orphan and widow, to the downtrodden. And yet primarily our focus is Word-based and witness-based.<br /><br />In a sense I'm saying, let the dead bury their dead. I know that sounds cold but at the end of the day we're not going to eradicate the curse. We can 'reach out' and do what we can to save lives but if we divorce those efforts from the political struggle it takes on a very different hue. Rather than trying to punish the heathen, shut down their businesses, wrest people away from them to score points... and then throw them aside if they're poor and destitute. Rather, we can work to bring goodness and the love of God in a selfless way rather than a self-interested way.<br /><br />I don't know if that helps are not or if I'm making sense to you.<br /><br />Protoprotestanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217567607160768261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-28076007225431099912016-04-11T17:00:43.799-04:002016-04-11T17:00:43.799-04:00I agree with much of what you are saying. I am ver...I agree with much of what you are saying. I am very interested in what you believe is the proper way for a Christian to react to abortion. Landtillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09187928185204709188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-64227543584200138792016-04-08T07:23:24.075-04:002016-04-08T07:23:24.075-04:00I'm not sure if I said it was a Reformed congr...I'm not sure if I said it was a Reformed congregation. I'd have to think about that but I know certainly of Evangelical instances, personally and secondhand. There are quite a few attestations to this in the literature as well. I don't know how it common it is but it does happen and I think prior to the political aspect which came to the fore in the 1980s it was a bit more common. I don't know think there's a formal study or anything but there a lot of people that have testified to this.<br /><br />Obviously I'm totally against abortion as is every Christian. I just don't think the Pro-Life and Right wing are concerned as much about abortion as they are about its political value. And every time an election comes around if you back Evangelicals into a corner over Right wing candidates they will always pull out the abortion trump card. Basically that one issue has to steer your political decision. The deaths caused by Right wing policies are disqualified from consideration because they are legitimated or in most cases denied.Protoprotestanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217567607160768261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-28486498365058047442016-04-07T23:38:45.852-04:002016-04-07T23:38:45.852-04:00For the reasons you specified in your fifth paragr...For the reasons you specified in your fifth paragraph, I've always been suspicious of the Pro-Life movement and whether there's an ulterior motive to their activism.<br /><br />Perhaps it's rooted in what you refer to as "controlling the national narrative" or, more simply, control. I think you're onto something here but the idea needs to be fleshed out a bit more.<br /><br />On a related note, didn't you say in one of your older posts that if the issue of an unplanned pregnancy emerges in even a conservative Reformed congregation, the elders will quietly advise the pregnant girl or woman to get an abortion for the sake of saving face? If I recall correctly you bore witness to something like this happening personally. Correct me if I'm wrong.<br /><br />A.P.A.P.noreply@blogger.com