tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post6711831035761863547..comments2023-09-24T08:05:04.868-04:00Comments on The Pilgrim Underground: Fatima Veneration as Adiaphora: John Paul II and EvangelicalsProtoprotestanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18217567607160768261noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-777777721076494802017-05-21T15:49:00.291-04:002017-05-21T15:49:00.291-04:00It's been on the back-burner for some time but...It's been on the back-burner for some time but God willing I hope to publish a series on Church History sometime later this year. I just haven't had the time to put it together and flesh out the notes. In that piece I hope to discuss some of the resources available for those interested in an alternative reading of Church History.<br /><br />Time is my great enemy. I have to scrape together enough to pay the bills and sometimes I get trapped into jobs that end up being very time consuming. I've been stuck on a job since the beginning of the year. It's almost done and at that point my 'free' time will open up quite a bit. I am determined to avoid such all-consuming jobs in the future. The long-term steady work is nice but it's way too absorbing, stressful etc... I end up thinking about my work in my free time, in my sleep etc... I hate that. Simple is better even if it means less money.Protoprotestanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217567607160768261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-37872769429823634652017-05-21T15:44:38.237-04:002017-05-21T15:44:38.237-04:00I have to give Broadbent's work something of a...I have to give Broadbent's work something of a mixed review. On the one hand it's a great book with a very exciting and satisfying narrative. On the other hand he undermines his credibility with a significant number of errors and omissions. He gets some things just plain wrong and at times I was rather surprised but what he left out.<br /><br />He's theologically baptistic and that preference shines through, though he's honest about the fact that many of the groups he cites did not hold to that theology. This is significantly better than some of the Baptist apologists, like the Landmark group which manipulates history to give it a Baptistic read.<br /><br />Broadbent's greatest strength is his post-Reformational history, the chapters where he covers the Haldane's and the various 19th century Restorationist groups. He gives special attention to the Plymouth Brethren... his own group and the group that provides the lens by which he reads history. Interestingly as an advocate of the Open Brethren he takes the baptistic theological position and yet fully aware of the Exclusive Brethren's retention of paedobaptism (infant baptism) he seems to be somewhat tolerant of the position.<br /><br />I enjoyed the work and appreciated the fact that it's accessible to people that aren't Church History buffs. But it's not without some significant faults.<br /><br />You can always contact me at protoprotestant@gmail.com. I will try to get back to you. I'm way behind on emails. 2017 has been rough as far as time. I hope that within the next few weeks things will get a lot better. I'll be making less money but I'll have more time for the things that are important.<br />Protoprotestanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217567607160768261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-7884637142060170792017-05-20T22:12:50.938-04:002017-05-20T22:12:50.938-04:00Hey Proto,
Would you recommend reading "The P...Hey Proto,<br />Would you recommend reading "The Pligrim Church" by E.H. Broadbent? Have you hear of, or read, this book? Not sure how else to contact you so I figured I'd just ask here. AndrewofArabiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138270752810464493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-65774298052678244722017-05-18T18:44:21.712-04:002017-05-18T18:44:21.712-04:00Ha, ok, I was hoping for at least something more, ...Ha, ok, I was hoping for at least something more, at least why the heavenly forms, revealed in a New Testament book to an Apostle, count as Judaized. But alright.<br /><br />Byzantine theology has preserved, in its ancient tomes, Maximus who is someone who grasps Christology past many problems Augustine introduced. He is mostly forgotten in the West. He is what makes Byzantium sparkle, even though, perhaps fittingly, if not ironically, he perished at the hands of patriarch, pope, and emperor.<br /><br />And I didn't not much about the Bible Answer Man before, but in the wake of his conversion, it turns out he is pretty fraudulent. But like many denominations, when the clergy found out a multi-million dollar parishioner might join, they rolled out the carpet, even if he doesn't know a thing about theology beyond talking-points and witty retorts.<br /><br />I sense some cut to your words, were you worried about me? :)<br /><br />calCal of Chelcicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04274276191242967318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-24582147198692935122017-05-18T17:10:54.368-04:002017-05-18T17:10:54.368-04:00I think it would be Judaizing and I don't thin...I think it would be Judaizing and I don't think you could do it a la carte. So unless you can figure out how to incorporate thrones etc... I'm not sure how one would even do it.<br /><br />Not following the Bible Answer Man?<br /><br />I will say this. If I didn't hold to my extreme position, the alternative would be the Judaized Revelation example. And when surveying the scene, the East definitely comes closest to fulfilling that vision. I will give them that.Protoprotestanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217567607160768261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2319172106392132510.post-72185442695492664502017-05-18T13:25:14.178-04:002017-05-18T13:25:14.178-04:00What are you thoughts on Revelation as a source of...What are you thoughts on Revelation as a source of liturgical metaphors and form for worship? The visions depend on Jewish symbols, which, if one believes, are not empty, or temporally limited, but depend upon heavenly forms.<br /><br />My own sympathies are closer to this argument, though I always value your ideas and thinking. And as an update, while I appreciate much in Byzantine theology, I am not, and probably never, going to cross the Bosporus.Cal of Chelcicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04274276191242967318noreply@blogger.com